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WOW This is IT !! seeking a good Pantheism book !

2008-05-26T06:55:17Z

Please, this is the closest "belief system" I have found that shares my own views,feelings and beliefs
I am seeking a good all inclusive book on Pantheism with it's origin etc.
Boarder Books had NONE
any leads
mahalo
with Love and Kindness
Peace and Good Health
Live with Passion and Compassion
may the Force be with you :)
Namaste,
Kieba "OM" (there, I think I covered it all)
oh, with aloha mana (spirit)

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Ninjas or Samurais?

2007-11-28T00:17:20Z

Ninjas or Samurais?

Silver or gold?

Anarcho-individualism or anarcho-communalism?

Rolling Stones or Beatles?

Convertibles or hard-tops?

Long hair or short (and dreds or not)?

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What Hubble sees...

2006-11-02T06:35:41Z

One of my boys sent me this mail and I wanted to share it.

"The video is about how the Hubble telescope stared into a completely empty part of the sky for 10 days to photograph galaxies 87 billion light years away. It picked this part of the sky because they didn’t want any interference from stars in our own galaxy. They had no idea what the telescope would see and spent millions of dollars for the project (which could turn up with nothing!) It’s a good thing they took the chance."

http://www.deepastronomy.com/hubble-deep-field.html

It dawned on him that man made religion has no leg to stand on once one can perceive the immensity of space and the seemingly infinite number of stars just like our own sun.

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A piece of Peace-spire for every cease-fire (part 1)

2006-10-09T04:26:18Z

I’m reaching for a Peace beyond all Pleasure and all Pain
I’m reaching for a Peace beyond the Ego
I’m reaching for a Peace beyond the Sacred and Profane
I’m reaching for a Peace beyond all We Know

The Animal looks out upon the World it’s twined
It twists and pulls and feels and reels
It irks and jerks and thrashes and lashes
It fears and tears and craves and enslaves

These are the actions of reactions
These are the lives of the untaken
These are the lies of the mistaken
These are the ills of the Wills a-breakin’
These are the Challenges that challenge the forsaken

A gap forms amidst the strengthened walls
A sheltered space where gentleness resides

The Gentleness looks out upon the World it Loves
It folds and holds and feels and reels
It staves and saves and sifts and lifts
It culls and lulls and lays and prays

A teardrop forms amidst the pain absorbed
Confusion in illusion, suffered in a spin
The Hand of God that whirls around
The space of place directing Sin
Confining light to spheres of Time
Confining thought to streams Devine

Inside the space, outside the place
Between the now, outside the how
I’ve said it all before, I’ll say it all again
We’ve gone around the circle, and here we go again
Again, again, again, again, again, again

Wake up and count tomorrow
Wake up and quell the sorrow
Hiding in control takes an enormous toll
No, No, No, No, No, No
No, No, No, No, No, No
Know, Know, Know, Know, Know, Know
Let’s Let Each Other Go
Just Let Each Other Go
Now Let Each Other Go

A treasured piece of Peace-spire
For every single cease-fire
A zillion Wars, a zillion Fronts
Inside of us, inside of Us
In spite of us, in spite of Us

Stop It All, Reset It All
Phantom Wall meet Wrecking Ball

I’m trying hard say
In a Diplomatic way:
Violence is the act of a frightened child,
Aggression is the act of the desperate Wild
Grow up People
Wake up People
Take up People

Power holds the reigns of a most unyielding Beast
If it steers it’s steered you first
And left you with unquenchable Thirst
It’s not a place of havens
But a prison built of cravens

Put down your gun
Put down your gun
We’ve already won
We’ve already won
We’re growing up together
We’re growing up together

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pantheism and shamanism

2006-06-12T15:01:52Z

The way I perceive pantheism is very much akin to shamanism. The only reason I refer to myself as a pantheist rather than a shaman is that I don't have the cultural basis to do so. I've had no formal training in shamanism, have not met any shamans, and so I would not want to offend any through a misapplication of my beliefs/talents.

But pantheism as I understand is not a global spirital entity. All animate (all types of animals) and inanimate (rocks, trees, etc) objects possess individual spiritual energy. There are also the spirits of the dead and the "gods" and other unattached spirits, etc.

Anyone else think of pantheism in this way?

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cascade of mirrors

2006-06-03T22:31:15Z

I’ve seen it all already
I’ve been it all already
All cascades before me
All cascades… no more me
Every facet, every flaw,
Every reflection, I ever saw

At the hollowest of centers
Ever quiet, ever still
Feel the whirlwind blowing
From the windowsill
Density expands,
Material contracts,
As my Minding wanders
The construct of the facts
Recorded through my Castle
A castle formed of clouds
Shifting in a storm front
Of undulating shrouds
Brilliant light and color
Afire on the air
Details more than clever
Exploding everywhere
Details less than stable
Collapsing as they wear

Is it Heaven or Hell?
The Realm in which we Dwell…
The answer may be, “Well,
It depends on the Swell”
For Riding a Wave
Is a High that will Save
But to Crash on the Sand
Is the fate of the Damned
The world is what we make
And so to turn the wake
We must rise above the tide
And form our Falls in stride
Dancing with the Rhythm
Of our Soular Cataclysm

Travel this way to the Core
Leave behind the phantom Shore
We do not need it anymore
No time to glide on Winds of Yore
Let’s Fly beyond the Revolving Door

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From the Union of Concerned Scientists on the Nuclear "bunker busters"

2006-04-17T08:41:36Z

From the Union of Concerned Scientists on the Nuclear "bunker busters"

This is the most important three minute explanation by the Union of Concerned Scientists that you will ever see.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/nuclear-bunker-buster-rnep-animation.html

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PSYCHIC SOUL tribe...

2006-03-05T03:05:43Z

http://tribes.tribe.net/psychic_soul

Join if you feeel the calling....

Love in you.

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natural divination techniques?

2006-01-27T05:37:07Z

I'll soon be travelling, and will not have my usual cards with me. I am looking for some kind of natural divination technique to practice when a moment comes where I need larger guidance. Something involving reading natural materials, stones, mountains, leaves, etc.

If you respond, please let me know what tradition your practice is from, or if you made it up.

Please only respond if you are certain your method involves contact with benevolent energies only.

Thank you,
Nora

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Does anyone else see the connection between Panthism, the AWF and Quantum particle theory?

2006-01-13T04:02:03Z

what?
it's ok.
i know it is a little unclear, but it got you in here, didn't it?

So i agree with the newer findings of science that say that the smallest part of ALL molcules are quantum particles. So all of those particles all together would be a mathmatical object called a wave function. The word Aeon is the expansive devine everything. i use aeonic wave function to describe the collection of everyquantum particle in all of existance.

So if these particles make up even air electricity and light every cell in every living thing and all of the molecules of every nonliving thing, then they make up and move create and are everything.

This to my understanding is the concept of what is personified into forms like men or animals to be called some God or diety.

The fractal breakdown of multidieties religions so like that of our multiverses, universes, galaxies, worlds countries communities humans tissies muscles cells molecules and so on until you get to the smallest bit. which is the very same as all of it.

Are these religions the languages by which we understand the mathmatics that can perhaps define our and other worlds?

Any thoughts....?

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Science of Mind

2005-06-15T19:53:51Z

I asked a Science of Mind minister if SOM is considered a pantheistic religion and she said to read the first four chapters of "Science of Mind," Thomas Troward, and do some Internet research and she would talk to me about my conclusions.

So I've done all that (haven't finished all the Troward books yet) and I am feeling like the answer to the question might be different depending on whom I asked.

Anybody here have an opinion of their own to share? I'd love a dialog.

rj

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New to Pantheism

2005-02-19T07:53:37Z

When I read about it last summer I thought "Oh. So that's what I am!" and I was kinda excited by that... but there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it anywhere. Probably because of its nature: the fact that the Universe is God and everything is equally sacred tends to neutralize the polarity needed to discuss something.

So I'll ask a couple questions of you more experienced folks:

What do you do to keep this from being a stagnant belief system?

Am I right in interpreting the positive or negative energy I put out into the world as changing the world, and therefore changing God for better or worse?

How do you as Pantheists deal with the prospect of dying? The soul? I'm hoping if I let go with peace and love that will be the energy that returns to the collective unconscious. (No... I'm not dying, I'm in the prime of my life)

I would love to hear your opinions.

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Astral Travel, Meditation, Alchemy, Gnosis, Etc.

2005-01-12T23:27:33Z

Free courses: http://mysticweb.org :)

Peace,
Denny

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Pantheism Sources

2004-08-20T12:37:34Z

Hi All,
I came across some articles recently on pantheism, and had that feeling, I am sure many of had, like, oh that is what I am.

Of course, now that I found this tribe, I cant find them.
Here is one from Utne reader.

http://www.utne.com/pub/2003_118/promo/10619-1.html

There were a few sites too. The only one I can find is pantheism.net. I think one was more "spiritual" one more "scientific/rational"

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mind and gods in a patheist framework

2004-05-15T15:55:44Z

Brahman is not an un-minded Being and there is room for gods, spirits, and other such beings within a pantheist framework.

Term(s):
1. I will use Brahman as a name for the underlying Substance of the manifold of the universe. “Es” is a good term, but it deeply violates the “I-Thou” relationship, and I am definitely going to argue for an aware Substance (as opposed to the un-minded Being often purported by some pantheists) as well as room for multiple Gods within the pantheist framework (in response to Candace's topic).

2. Substance is the substrate of phenomena (things or events): it is that on which things are dependent for their existence. Brown does not exist on its own. It must exist through something else (say wood) which is then it's substance.
3. Attribute is the essential quality of a substance. Extension is the essential quality of matter, and thought the essential quality of mind.
4. Accident (mode) is a secondary quality of a substance: this or that shape, this or that color. It is necessary for a substance to have accidents, but not ( on the face of it) necessary as too which one (unlike attribute which is necessary).

Thesis: Since all existing things are manifest of Brahman as actual and all possible things are contained within (or manifest of) Brahman as potential, then all gods, demons, angles and other such things are a part of Brahman in so far as they are potential or actual. Since mind and awareness are actual, then these too must be a part of Brahman and a part of the pantheist framework. *Indeed, when pantheists deny a “minded” God/Being/Substance/Brahman they separate Brahman from part of the universe and stand in stark contradiction to their own basic tenant.*

(A re-hash of Spinoza): Since a substance is contained within itself it can be demonstrated that “there can be only one.” Given the audience I leave it granted that there is a substance at all. Since all things exists through themselves or through another, all things are either substance, attribute of a substance, or mode of a substance. Since there is only one substance all other things (the manifold of the universe) must be modes or attributes of the One (Brahman). Followers of Samsara will recognize the “Curds From Milk” model here. Since all we know in the universe is either body or mind (probably also spirit and maybe soul as distinct from mind), mind is one of the primary accidents of Brahman: it is an attribute of Brahman. Brahman is far from a mindless “Es” (at least not in its manifested form...and certainly the divita school would hold that it is mind which sets off samsara in the first place)

As for spirits, we must first define what a spirit is, and then show that such a being is not a contradiction. In the end, we find that spirits are no less real and separate from Brahman than anything else in the manifold, but we must remember the ultimate tenant that the manifold is not the real-ly real: it is the dream of Brahman. In this regard there are no spirits, but then also is there no you and I.

Okay, a spirit, as I see it, is life force. It perhaps has some cosmological connection to mind, but more likely the view of spirits as having personalities or being aware are a matter of a connection of life force to emotion. I leave the cosmological relationship between mind, emotion, spirit, and soul for another time, as I am truthfully not wholly ready to answer that question. We leave spirit as life force, as at least an accident of mind. This gives them the same ontological status as you and I.

We can perceive something as having a life force (even a rock or the weather, but I won't go into that here, but think Jung), and note that it has this or that particular spirit. This discrimination is a necessary function of mind (as the process of expanding and contracting the manifold).

Gods are a bit more difficult, well the monotheist, omnipotent, omnipresent God is problematic as such in the pantheist framework. The problem is the such a God is necessary and absolute as is Brahman. It is generally given that you cannot have two necessary beings in one universe, and certainly you cannot have two necessary and absolute beings in one universe, they become identical. This would not be such a problem, except that generally speaking, christians are not willing to admit the identity of myself and my computer with God. They are even generally willing to say that I and my computer are *part* of God. The impetus of this position comes from the “analogy of being” argument posited by St. Aquinus, which states that God (as nec. & abs.) has a qualitatively different kind of being than we do. (c.f. Abelard “univocal being”) .

Gods with a lower case 'g', are not absolute or necessary. The are usually not even omnipotent, and are sometimes even mortal. This makes them again an accident of mind, body, and/or some other essential attribute of Brahman. In the end, they too are identical with Brahman and have a place in the pantheist framework. (I apologize for the crappy cosmology here. There is probably something which makes them ontologically greater than you and I, but the standard “substance, attribute, accident” model fails me here, and my mind is sluggish tonight to solve the issue).

The only issue remaining is to show that “potential” things, such as unicorns and Diana as merely potential are “in a substance,” that is part of Brahman (I'm not saying Diana is not actual, but that she must be at least possible to be actual, so I am looking only that far here).

There is some debate as too whether substance or form (attribute in our case) carries the potential. Early Aristotle held the potential to be carried in the form. An egg has the potential to become chicken but not rock (matter, carried privation, and could become chicken, rock, or whatever). This works fine on a limited scale, that is with chickens and fenders, it begins to fail when you start expanding your extension. Grass does not, of its own, have the potential to become cow, but when a cow eats it, it becomes cow. This lead to the positing of prime matter, and I think, to Aquinus' view of potential being carried in the matter (if memory servers). When we move to the level of Brahman we must move towards Augustine's “rational seeds,” the manifold of the universe in potential carried in the mind of God (again if memory serves).

Conclusion: In the end it is a matter of perspective. If you are currently viewing Brahman as the unified One of the universe, then you are not viewing the manifold of the universe and gods, spirits, you, and I as particulars don't have any existence in this view. This is to say, from this partial perspective of pantheism gods and spirits don't have any place in the system, but then neither do you, I, or any part of nature. If you look at the manifold as part(s) of Brahman, then gods and spirits have at least the same ontological status as you or I. They are a part of the universe. In the end, both views are valid and should be taken (paradoxically) together. As for mind, it is an essential and necessary part of Brahman and likely exists even within the “unified” view of the One.

If Brahman has as part of its essence mind, then it is aware (c.f. Hegel' s process of existence is the Absolute's becoming aware of itself).

NOTE: I should have look up more things (too many “if memory serves” for my comfort).

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Women Wanting Conscious Prosperity

2004-03-04T21:47:53Z

Hi There,
I wanted to let you know about a women's prosperity group I am a part of. We are accepting new members and I thought there might be some like minded women on this board. We meet every Monday from 6-7 PST on a conference call, and support each other through email as well. Our intention is to work with each other to clear whatever blocks we have to prosperity, and to create actual tangible financial results in our lives. Our larger goal is to heighten the energy of abundance on our planet, creating prosperity for all. If this is something that resonates with you, send me a message, and we can set up a time to go over the details, and perhaps have you join our call.

Blessings

Vicki

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Tell me more...

2004-02-03T18:22:54Z

...about Pantheism. Is there a definite God or gods, is there forms of worship? Is it more "spiritual" or more "religious"?
Thank you!
-A.

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Aaltuit

2004-01-18T11:00:10Z

Anyone been here? http://aaltuit.uniqon.com

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So, y'all are quiet... someboday say something!

2003-11-27T01:03:23Z

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Welcome to Pantheism

2003-11-24T19:00:24Z

Hey everyone,

I started this tribe because I didn't see any other listing for Pantheism here. I want this to be a very informal place where people can come and talk about all things related to Pantheism - whether that be similarities to Paganism, Shamanism, Buddhism, Shinto or other religions, or perhaps how you practice Pantheism.

For myself, I hold a very ecclectic view of spirituality, and have come to this point via many other religious practices. I find the belief in Everything is Divine and the Divine is Everything suits the way I view the world perfectly.

Anyway - I should introduce myself a bit :) I'm Discordia and I am a 29 year-old mother of one (a beautiful baby boy called Phoenix Song.) I live in the midwest - although I am originally from England. I am Design Director for a web design company and love the fact that I can work from home!

Okay - who's next?

(Please forgive this mishmash posting - but I've been away for a few days and got back in town late last night. I've been meaning to post here for days now, and thought I should really do it today - no matter what came out, hehe!)

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I'm a Pantheist!

2003-11-14T05:11:41Z

Hey All!
Looks like this group is getting off to a slow start...I just joined tribe.net and am happy to see that there is a group here that seems to describe my view of religion and spirituality.

I have thought a lot about being a pantheist. Not only does it allow me to see the divine in everything, but it allows me to pick and choose what I like from other traditions and faiths and leave behind the mutual exclusivity and evangelism of organized religion.

I am a musician and songwriter and have written a song called Pantheist (which I will share in a future post).

Thanks for establishing this group. I look forward to some interesting discussions.

Sam

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